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「松田酒店」店主 松田英樹さんインタビュー

丸亀のみなと街で50年以上続く酒屋、松田酒店。種類豊富なお酒のラインナップが印象的なこのお店、このスタイルになったのは3代目の店主・松田英樹さんが切り盛りするようになってからとのことです。
松田さんは「うちだから出来る事」を大事に、この街で美味しいお酒に触れるきっかけを長年提供されてきたといいます。そんな松田さんにご自身の活動のことや、この街への思いについてお話を伺いました。


ディスカウントショップの登場。ピンチをチャンスに

松田酒店さんはこのエリアではかなり歴史が長いように思います。松田さんご自身は何代目になりますか?

3代目です。

3代目。では開業してからでいうと何年くらいになりますか?

もう50年超えましたかね。

おじい様の代からということですよね?開業のきっかけは何だったか聞いてますか?

昔うちのおじいさんが金陵(西野金陵株式会社・琴平町)の金毘羅支店の支店長をしよったんですよ。それで免許を取って、自分で酒屋を始めました。そこに婿養子に入ったのが、うちの父です。

では代々もうここで。

そうそう、ここで生まれて、ここで育って……ずっとここですね。

で、松田さんが継がれたのはいつ頃ですか?

昭和57年です。25歳の時に始めて、今年で38年目です。もうそんな年になってしまいました。大阪の酒類問屋に3年ほど勤めてたんですが、母が急死して「帰ってこい」と。既に当時、妻とはお付き合いしてたので、結婚して、大阪から香川に戻ってきました。

香川に戻って38年。ご苦労もあったかと思いますが、印象的だった出来事など、ご自身が切り盛りされるようになってからのお話を教えてください。

うちは当時、缶ビールや瓶ビールなんかを揃えた、いわゆる街の普通の酒屋さんだったんですよ。もちろん、他のお酒もありましたが。昔は缶ビール6本買って帰ったりとか、ワンカップとつまみ買って帰ったりとか、そういうお客様も多かったです。あとは立ち飲みもしてたので、1杯引っ掛けていく人もいましたね。

ところがある時、あちこちでお酒のディスカウントができてきて、どこでもお酒が買えるようになってね。ここからすぐそこの遊食房屋さんのところにもスーパーが出来ました。そしたらお客さんは当然そっちへ。
それで商品の差別化が必要だろう……と。スーパーでは買えないような、日本酒・ワイン・焼酎・ウィスキーのような専門性を帯びた商品を取り扱うようにしないといかんなと思うようになりました。大阪の酒類問屋にも勤めてたので、大阪の酒屋さんも何件か知ってるところはあって、そういう所を訪ねましたね。そこからヒントを得ながら、少しずつ商品を揃えていきました。

それで、今これだけのお酒の種類が揃ってるんですね。大体何種類くらいのお酒を扱ってますか?

ざっと1,000アイテムくらいは常時あるんじゃないですかね。

1,000! 覚えるのも大変そうです。お店の方向性を変えてから、お客様の流れは戻ってきましたか?

昔はいわゆる食卓に並ぶお酒を買いにくるお客様が多かったから、夕方なんかはバタバタ忙しかったんですが、今はもうそんなことはないですね。缶ビールはスーパーで買って、あと何かの時にちょっといいワインや、日本酒を……ということで買いに来るような感じで、お客様自体がお店と商品の使い分けをするようになりました。あとは、これだけ種類があるので、ギフトを選びに来る方も多いですね。

美味しいお酒を広めたい。そのためのきっかけ作り

私お酒は好きなんですが、そこまで詳しくはなくて……こういうアイテムがたくさんあるお店に来ると、心が躍る一方で、何買ったらいいのか全く分かりません。

(笑)そうですよね。そういうお客様は多いと思います。ディスカウントショップとか私たちなんかの店もそうですけど、種類ありすぎて何がいいか分からないですよね。当然だと思います。
ただ、私たちみたいな町の酒屋だと、お客の好みやどういうシチュエーションで飲むのかとか、どんな料理に合わせるのかとかね、そういった会話の中で選んでいくことが出来るから。お客様にとってもお酒のことを色々知るきっかけにはなりますよね。うちの規模だからできる良さかなとは思いますね。

これは何ですか? さぬき絆笑会(ばんしょうかい)?

これですか? この会は、日本名門酒会っていうグループが全国にあるんですけど、そこの香川県の加盟店の有志で作った会なんです。この会でお酒の楽しさを広めるためにいろいろ活動をしようって言って起ち上げました。この間は蔵元さんで仕込み体験をしてね、みんなでタンクのある2階へお米を運んだり、櫂入れ作業をしたりして、最後はウナギの名店大正軒(高知県高岡郡)でウナギを食べながら宴会です(笑)

楽しそうですね!

今度一緒に行きますか?

え! いいんですか? 行きたいです。会員でもなんでもない、一般ですが……

いやいや、一般のお客様集めてやってるんですよ。一般の方を集めて、年に6回お酒に触れ合えるきっかけ作りを。5月は田植えです。

どんな方が参加されていますか?

若い方とか、ファミリーさんとかね。いろんな方がいます。蔵元に行ったり、仕込み体験をしたりっていうのは、普通に生活してると出来ない経験だと思うんです。でもそれをきっかけにお酒に興味を持ってもらったり、工程や手間を知ってもらえたりするといいなと。

こうやってね、1年を通して、絆笑会の活動に参加してもらいながら作ったオリジナルのお酒に、ラベルを貼るんですけど、参加者の名前が載るんですよ。これも記念になって嬉しいみたいです。これは昨年のですね。

すごいですね! 仕込みと田植えの他にはどういった活動がありますか?

昨年は、2月が仕込み、5月は地引網、6月は田植え、7月は七夕の会、10月は稲刈り、11月はホテルで蔵元さん10蔵集まってのお酒の会の会、と年間で6回開催しました。
それと別に私単独で、ボジョレヌーボーの解禁の会をフレンチレストラン等でやったり、蔵元を囲む会を開催したりしてますね。
SNSで投稿してるので、良かったら見てみてください。

世代を超えて、つながり、集える街に

学生時代の一時を除いて、およそ60年弱、この街で過ごされてるわけですが、松田さんはこの街のどういうところが好きですか?

好きなところ……難しいね。私にとっては生活の拠点でしょ、しかも日中は配達でここを空けてることなんかも多いから、気づきにくいよね。妻なんかは、駅も近いし買い物も別に困らないんじゃないですかね。

逆に改善が必要と感じてるところはありますか?

やっぱり高齢化かな。若い人が本当にどんどん減っていってるからね……私たち世代の子供たちね、当時たくさんいましたけど、大学で地元出たら、そのまま就職して帰ってこない人多いですよね。

誰か1人でもリーダーシップとって、街を良くしようっていう気概のある若者がいてくれたらね。そこがなんか閉鎖的というか、活動しようとか、何かやろうって活発に動ける人は少ない印象かな。

閉鎖的というのは?

保守的というか……県民性もあるだろうし、市民性もあるだろうね。人間って特に商売してると、変化というか、変わることで指差されたり、見られたり……やっぱり怖いじゃないですか。そういうのはあるのかなと思いますね。

まぁでも、MIROCBEER(北平山町)さんやLantern Bar(通町)さんみたいな人も増えてきて……若い人が入ってきてくれるのは本当に嬉しいですね。

このお店は松田さんの後はどうするんでしょうか?

多分ないでしょうね。私の代で終わりかな。

そうですか、では今後はどのように考えてるんですか?

今後も何も、もう体力も気力もね……63ですから。あと5年か6年か……

そうなんですね。例えばもし「私やります!」っていう人が現れたらどうしますか?

それはもう、いたらねぇ、考えますよ。
いや、時代だけでなくて、酒屋の魅力を伝えきれなかった私の責任もあるとは思うんです。

たまたまうちは酒屋だけど、昔は魚屋さん、八百屋さんってここで商売しながら暮らしてる人がいてね、で、他所から丸亀劇場に来る人がいて、むちゃくちゃ賑わってたっていうわけではないけど、程よく繋がりや交流があって、人情味がありました。そういうのが無くなるのは寂しいなと思います。

せっかく神社(玉積神社・西平山町)も近くにあるので、もっともっと人が増えてね、地元の神様を守りながら、いろんな人が繋がって集うような街になってもらいたいとは思いますね。


今回の取材にあたり、「あそこは行った? 若い子が頑張ってるわ」「あのお店はエリアに入ってるんかな?」「ここはどう? ここも長い、昔からあるよ」とたくさんの取材先の提案をしてくれた松田さん。
この街で働く人を応援したい気持ちをものすごく感じました。このようにして、この街で暮らしたり働いたりする人が繋がりながら、街が盛り上がっていく事に期待したいと思います!ご協力ありがとうございました。

 

 

There's something special that a local store can offer, and relations that I can build.

An interview with Mr.Hideki Matsuda, the owner of “Liquor shop Matsuda”

Liquor shop Matsuda has been doing business for more than 50 years in the port town of Marugame. This store has a large variety of liquor, and this style was created after Mr.Hideki Matsuda, the third generation took over this shop.
Mr.Matsuda always considers “things only we can do” important and has been offering opportunities for delicious alcoholic beverages in this town. We asked Mr.Matsuda about his activities and feelings towards this town.


Discount shops have appeared. A tough situation brought an opportunity.

This shop seems to have long history in this area. What number company president are you ?

I’m the third generation.

The third generation, so how long has it been since the business started?

I guess it has more than 50 years.

Your grandfather started, right? Have you ever heard about his motivation?

My grandfather once was the branch manager of Kinryo (Nishino Kinryo Ltd.) at Kompira branch. Then, he got a license and started this liquor shop by himself. After that, my father got married to my mother and took over this shop.

So, this shop has passed down generation to generation in this place.

That’s right. It has started here and always been operated here.

When did you take over, then?

It was 1982. I was 25 years old at that moment, and it’s been 38 years now. It's been such a long time. I was working as a liquor wholesaler in Osaka for three years, then my mother passed away suddenly, and I came back. At that time, I had already been with my wife, so we got married and came back here in Kagawa from Osaka.

It has been 38 years since you came back to Kagawa. I think you might have been through a lot. Could you tell me the stories after you took over, like some memorable events?

This shop was once so-called an ordinary local liquor shop, was lined with cans of beer and bottles of beer. Of course, we were also selling other kinds of alcoholic beverages. In those days, many customers bought half a dozen of beer or a glass of sake and snacks. Besides, we were operating a standing bar, and some of our customers stopped by and were drinking a glass of alcohol.

However, one day, discount shops for alcoholic beverages appeared everywhere around, and it became easier to buy alcoholic beverages everywhere. Next to Yushokuboya nearby, a supermarket was built. Naturally, many people went there.
So, we thought the differentiation of our shop was needed. I came to believe we had to have many selections and specialized products of sake, wine, shochu, and whiskey. I worked at a wholesale company in Osaka and knew some liquor shops in Osaka and visited there. I inspired by them and collected products little by little.

That’s why there are such a variety of alcoholic beverages. About how many kinds of alcoholic beverages do you sell?

I guess we always have around 1000 kinds.

1000! It sounds difficult to remember. Since you changed the style of this shop, have you get your customers back?

A while ago, people used to buy alcoholic beverages for dinner time, and we were busy in the early evening. However, that doesn’t happen anymore. People tend to buy cans of beer at supermarkets, and they buy good quality wine and sake for special occasions at this shop, stuff like that. The customers purchase several products depending on the occasion. Furthermore, because of a large variety of products, many customers want to buy gifts here.

To spread delicious alcoholic beverages to people, we are creating opportunities.

Though I like alcoholic beverages, I don’t know much about them. When I visit these kinds of shops with a verity of products, I have no idea what to buy, even though I’m excited.

I know what you mean. I think there might be many people like you. Both at discount shops and liquor shops like us, people get confused with, due to too many kinds of alcoholic beverages. It's quite natural.
At a local liquor shop like us, however, we can have a conversation with the customers about their preferences, occasions, what they eat with…, and we choose one. For the customers, it would be a good opportunity to get to know better about alcohol beverages. And it’s an advantage for us with this size.

What’s this? “Sanuki Bansho-Kai”?

This? There are groups called ”Japan Prestige Sake Association” all over Japan, and this is the association made by the members in Kagawa. This association was made for spreading the joy of alcoholic beverages, and aim for some activities. Recently, we experienced how making sake in a sake brewery. We carried rice to the second floor where there are tanks, then we mixed rice and malt and so on. At the end, we ate eel and had a party at a well-known eel restaurant in Kochi.

It sounds fun!

Do you wanna come with us?

Really? I want to. I’m not a member, though.

We are doing those events with the general public. Gathering them and making the opportunities to be able to come in contact with alcoholic beverages six times in a year. We are going to planting rice in May.

What types of people are participating?

Young people, people who come with their family…, many kinds of people are participating. People cannot visit sake breweries and experience making sake in their everyday life. Through those activities, I hope they become interested in alcoholic beverages, or they understand the process and efforts.

We make original sake by activities of “Bansho-Kai” through a year and stick the label with the name of all members like this. They are happy with this because it’s memorable. This bottle is from last year.

That’s amazing! What else do you do with people in the association aside from making sake and rice planting?

In the last year, we were making sake in February, dragnet fishing in May, rice planting in June, the star festival in July, rice harvesting in October. In November ten sake breweries and we were gathered at the hotel and had a meeting. We had six events in a year.
Besides, I personally had a gathering at a french restaurant when Beaujolais nouveau released, and also had a gathering with sake breweries.
I post on SNS, and please watch if you were interested in it.

The town where people can connect with and get together beyond generations

Except when you were a student, you’ve spent a time in this town almost 60 years. Which point do you like of the town?

Well, that’s a good question. I have a base of life here. I’m not around here due to deliver in the daytime, so I don’t realize so much. My wife has no difficulties in shopping with the station nearby.

Are there any issues to improve that come up your mind, on the contrary?

After all, the aging population, I think. The number of young people is decreasing rapidly. People in our children’s generation were many at that time, but once they go outside of this town for university, many of them didn’t come back.

If there is a person, who takes the initiative in making the town better with strong spirits. However, this town is kind of close-minded, and there are few who are motivated or be active as I perceive.

Close-minded means…?

I can also say conservative. It may be our characteristic of this prefecture or this city, I guess. People are afraid of being talked about and looked at when they change something, especially when doing business, right? It happens sometimes.

However, there are some young people like MIROC BEER in Kita-hirayamacho and Lantern Bar in Toricho. I am so glad with young people who come to this town.

What do you do with this shop after your generation?

Maybe, we are gonna close in my generation.

I see. What do you think about the future?

At my age, neither strength and willpower…I am 63 years old now, so there are five or six more years.

I understand. What if there would be someone who says, “I’ll do that!” ?

Of course, I’ll consider, when there is someone.
It’s not just because of the time. It’s also my responsibility. I haven’t been able to tell enough charms of a liquor shop.

We have operated the liquor shop by chance, but a while ago, there were fishmongers and greengrocers who were doing their business and living around here. There were people who visit the Marugame theater from outside of the town. It wasn’t bustling so much, but there were moderate connections and interactions, and full of humanity. It’s sad those things are being disappeared.

There is Kaku shrine(Tamaseki shrine) nearby in Nishi-hirayamacho; hopefully, there will be more people, with protecting the local gods, and this town would be the place where people are gathering and connected.


For this interview, Mr.Matsuda suggested many people for interviews, like “Did you visit there? The young person is trying hard.” “Is the shop included in the area?” “How about this? It’s been a long time since they started business.”
I felt he eager to support people who are working in this town. Just like this, I expect this town will be thriving, while people living and working here will be connected. Thank you very much.